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Author:  Darth Croweus [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:54 am ]
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I wish Tim Burton had done Batman Forever.

HE WOULDN'T OF GIVEN US BAT NIPPLES!

Author:  aDam [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:40 am ]
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They should have just stopped at Returns and left us wanting.

Author:  opuscat [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:28 am ]
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Heck, they coulda made Batman Begins first and left the rest out

Author:  aDam [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:55 am ]
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I don't think they could have made such a movie 10 years ago.

Author:  opuscat [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:20 am ]
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I'm not even talking about the effects neccessarily but they could've touched upon the origins much better than they did with Keaton and company. I always find Tim Burton movies to be welllll, I don't wanna say Campy but. And the rest after well they just sucked totally.

I was watching the extra dvd last night and Nolan and Goyer kinda act like they wrote the origins of Batman in a way. At least that's what I took away from it. Almost all Batman stories now rely on Frank Miller's Year One as the defining story for the origins. I think but can't recall, that the whole Rhas Agul thing is from Denny O'Neill's comics for the Batman. One thing that's in confusion in any history is who killed Bruce Wayne's parents. In some it's the Joker and in others it's just a guy who never gets caught and that leads to Bruce's sense of injustice. It's really too bad that the Jim Gordon character wasn't fleshed out more in the movie

Author:  aDam [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:41 pm ]
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I think the first Tim Burton movie is the only one that does the whole Joker thing but I'm not really sure. The guy is just some nameless thug that Batman will just never see again. The fact that he'll never be able to face him is sort of the reason for which he can never have any kind of closure on his parents' deaths.

I thought the way they did it in Begins was a good way to do it though. It makes him unable to ever have vengeance but still we're not sitting there waiting for him to run into the guy who killed his parents and expect every new villain he runs into to all of a sudden be his parents' killer.

But yeah when I siad they didn't make movie like that back then I wasn't so much talking about effects. It's just something about the way the story was told. Sci fi movies just didn't really take themselves so seriously or something. Hard to explain. They just make movies at a different level these days where if movies from 10 or 20 years ago were releases as new today then people would just think them to be too corny if that makes sense.

Author:  opuscat [ Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:48 pm ]
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aDam wrote:
But yeah when I siad they didn't make movie like that back then I wasn't so much talking about effects. It's just something about the way the story was told. Sci fi movies just didn't really take themselves so seriously or something. Hard to explain. They just make movies at a different level these days where if movies from 10 or 20 years ago were releases as new today then people would just think them to be too corny if that makes sense.


I agree, it's not that sci-fi didn't take itself seriously it's that the people making the movies who were in no way connected to it didn't take it too seriously. While the first Burton movie was okay in that it did try to take it more seriously I think Burton is all about Style and not so much about Substance for any of his movies.

Would it be fair to say that X-Men was one of the first modern day superhero movies to try and play it serious? Then Spiderman really set the tone that this type of movie could be serious and make a ton of coin (which is really the driving force for these anyway) and I still think Spiderman 1 and 2 are the movies that all others need to be compared too but that fag Johnson would disagree. And as I've mentioned I've never liked Spiderman as a character at all.

Anyway, if you haven't you really should read The Dark Knight Returns followed by Batman: Year 1 ... these again are what now defines Batman and did prior to the Burton movie even. Both versions rely very heavily on these comics and I don't think anything before or since has done it as well although I'm years out of the comic reading business now.

Another comic movie coming up is V for Vendetta ... written by Alan Moore (the comic anyway). Alan Moore really took the comic genre to an artform for writing starting with The Swamp Thing. I think his influence really created things like Frank Miller's Batmen (sorry, Frank Miller wrote both those comics above) and also Neil Gaiman and anything he's done (Sandman perhaps being his most famous creation). Alan Moore created Constantine or Hellblazer as the comic was called and also the 12 part series The Watchmen which at one point was supposed to be made into a movie but I think like you mention it just couldn't be done 10-20 years ago. Maybe it will ... it was one of the best books I'd ever read ever, comic or other. You also know Frank Miller for creating Sin City and his writing in DareDevil is still worth a small fortune for those issues.

There were only 4 issues of The Dark Night Returns and I remember when they came out. It was just agony waiting for the next issue. When they bound them in hardcover afterwards it was like owning gold at one point. Tthe hardcover edition sold for $300 a few months after they printed them people wanted them so bad.

Author:  aDam [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:49 am ]
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Burton's hit and miss with me. I'm on board with style but sometimes he just seems to go overboard and you can't really see the movie in there. Of his I've liked:
Batman
Batman Returns
Beetlejuice
Edward Scisohands
Charlie and Chocolate Factory
Planet of the Apes (which was not noticeable as a Burton movie)

But yeah when someone who knows nothing of comcis makes a comic movie that seems sort of like a poor choice. But I think of X-Men where Brian Singer didn't know much of anything about the X-Men comics when he started but was still able to make an awesome movie. X-Men 1 is one of my favourite non comic book movies. While not really excelling in effects or sort of being a perfectly polished movie I really like what it was trying to do.

Spider-Man's good too. It seems to have taken what Singer was doing and gone to the next level with time and money which X-Men didn't smack of.

Anyway about actual comics I can't really say anything about that. Haven't ever read a Batman, Spider-Man or X-Men comic in my life despite being familar with the characters though a variety of derived sources.

And I'm mad at V for Vendetta because they made Natalie Portman shave her head!

Author:  opuscat [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:12 am ]
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Sorry for running off at the mouth, waiting for da wife to git home last night. Have to catch her in between trips eh :twisted: gone for another week this afternoon

Author:  aDam [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:27 am ]
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Did she take your daughter with her or are you Mr. Mom for the week?

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Author:  opuscat [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:59 am ]
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Mr. Mom last week and this one coming ...

Author:  aDam [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:26 pm ]
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Good. Michael Keaton hasn't done a passable movie in years!

Author:  Halden [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:29 pm ]
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You think Spiderman took Comics seriously? Did you see that Green Goblin costume?

X-Men is the one that has really set the bar as far as good story telling and serious interpretation. Spiderman set the bar for profit and that is ALL.

Author:  opuscat [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:49 pm ]
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Hey there he is ... where ya been all weekend.

I think given the story of Spiderman ... and again I thin the character is stupid to begin with ... was done more serious in the movie than it ever was in the comic book. Toby McGuire is Peter Parker, it was fantastic.

The X-men was well-done to be sure ... the only huge downfall for me was Halle Berry as Storm, she sucked huge but I find her wooden in the best of circumstances.

Author:  opuscat [ Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:33 pm ]
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Perhaps ironically Mr. Mom was on TV this afternoon ... go figure

aDam wrote:
Did she take your daughter with her or are you Mr. Mom for the week?

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